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"KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time" (kngt) 07/10/2018 at 16:13 • Filed to: Idiots are EVERYWHERE, idiots, caught on dashcam, Dashcam

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Look at me! I’m a runner. #Running is the most important thing in life, screw traffic laws, logic and common sense #RunLyf.

Video not mine.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:11

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Shouldn’t have slowed down.  Good to see that Alissa Walker is keeping fit though.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:14

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eh....

i dont think she would have hurt your car much

and peds are surprisingly quick when they think your aiming for them

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 07/10/2018 at 16:15

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LOL, This is not me. And I don’t own an Mustang.

benjrblant > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:15

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Bike route? as in, a route? for... bikes?

Bikes which travel IN the direction of traffic at higher speeds?

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > benjrblant 07/10/2018 at 16:15

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She identifies as a bike on the road, in the same way as this guy  Apache

bob and john > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:18

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“If I were a bike would you run me off the street?”

yea. if you were a moron and riding in the opposite direction of traffic, ofc!

Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:19

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I’ve had to deal with joggers in the traffic lanes on this road...

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6017264,-121.2911632,56m/data=!3m1!1e3

...note the following:

Sidewalks, on both sides.

AMPLE room for cars to park, on both sides, demonstrated by the car parked without going onto the sidewalk nor into the bike lane .

Bike lanes, on both sides.

And yet the ten feet of pavement I’m allowed to travel on is where people would choose to jog like they are in a Rocky montage.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:20

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Oh my god, I would have laid on the fucking horn until she left.

facw > bob and john 07/10/2018 at 16:23

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You are supposed to run/walk against traffic. It is safer, since you can see the car that might hit you, instead of having it plow into you from behind. Of course if you are pedestrian (including joggers/runners) , you are supposed to be on the sidewalk if present (note that this does not apply to cyclists, who are required to ride with traffic, and are generally not allowed on sidewalks). If there’s no sidewalks though, you run/jog/walk on the left, unless there’s a good reason to do otherwise.

Urambo Tauro > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:23

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Clearly we should all be driving on sidewalks.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street. 07/10/2018 at 16:23

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They think they have a right of way to be assholes. One day something like this will happen:

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160825/norwood-park/drivers-had-warned-each-other-about-jogger-killed-by-car-for-years/

jimz > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:25

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Runners are the worst, except for everyone else.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > Urambo Tauro 07/10/2018 at 16:25

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No silly that’s for bikes.  

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > bob and john 07/10/2018 at 16:26

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funny how joggers always omit the unless theres a sidewalk part of the walk on the side facing traffic rule

just like cyclists omit the part where you are allowed to ride in the middle of the road.....unless theres a bike path

(or in my case dis my shortest route i use all the ways.. some stairs a park and red means go)

(i might be a cyclist)

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > jimz 07/10/2018 at 16:28

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Middle Aged+White+Woman+Runner(Jogger)= deadly entitlement 4 shot combo . I have seen far too many so making this anecdotal statement based on my experience alone.

Urambo Tauro > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:30

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Front lawns, then.

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Textured Soy Protein > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:33

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His Stigness > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:33

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“Video not mine.” Yeah... Sure! Now we know what you sound like!

But seriously, fuck that. That's like cyclists who ride two abreast on narrow streets. As a cyclist that pisses me the fuck off. 

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > Urambo Tauro 07/10/2018 at 16:34

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I don’t understand this, but all the runners in my neighborhood use the street over sidewalks.  I’ve wanted to hit one with my car so I could ask about their life choices, but I was afraid of body damage.

Chariotoflove > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:37

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I don’t think that’s a bike path if cars are allowed on it.  Anyway, she may have right of way, but what good is being right if you’re dead?

lone_liberal > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:37

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People in my neighborhood seem to love to run in bike lanes. I have no idea why. I can maybe understand when the sidewalks are old, uneven and broken up but not when they are brand new. Why run even closer to traffic?

facw > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 07/10/2018 at 16:41

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It’s pretty easy to understand. Sidewalks tend to suck. They are frequently uneven, and it’s not uncommon to have trash cans, toys, yard tools (or just yard waste) , etc., left on them, to say nothing of cars blocking them when parked in driveways, or overgrown landscape obstructing them. Roads by contrast tend to be a smooth, consistent, and unobstructed surface, much better for running. That doesn’t make running on the road when there’s a sidewalk safe (though really on a residential street the danger should be very low) or legal, but it is not hard to see why runners prefer it.

HammerheadFistpunch > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:46

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3 things -

1. I know why they run in the road, its easier on the body and there are fewer fixed hazards.

2. That does NOT entitle you to road use, and no...bike lanes are NOT multi-use lanes.

3. Even it if does, is it better to be right...or dead. Be defensive not assholish to stay alive.

Nom De Plume > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 07/10/2018 at 16:48

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The law (if it exists!) is different everywhere. Some places it is actually enforced and others choose to focus on revenue sources until it factors into a larger incident.

Basically a large population of people present as stupid self serving organisms. Much thought and trouble goes into educating them on changes to old laws or behaviors that are no longer practical or safe. Which are then incorporated piecemeal or applied too widely and vehemently.

I cannot say if this sidewalk was ignored because it only lasts a very short distance, city planners exhibit as stupid self serving organisms only over a longer time period, or any other variable that might have lead to this encounter. I can say when runners follow the stream of traffic law meant for roads with motorized traffic on a narrow closed path. T hey are often quite indignant towards polite discussion about why the bike traveling 15 mph around a corner not only stopped for them, but was unimpressed with the danger their behavior created.

Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo > facw 07/10/2018 at 16:50

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Ok that is fair, for all of the reasons listed.

Annoying, but I get it.

I guess the only reasonable solution is for runners to take some responsibility for their actions and keep their running on the track where it belongs!  Someone could get killed with all this street running! (This is supposed to be a joke.)

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > Nom De Plume 07/10/2018 at 16:53

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where i live im not sure its even a law.. just a rule...its easier to dodge traffic you can see coming towards you

but its a very much a dont be on the road if you dont have to be rule

Nom De Plume > Textured Soy Protein 07/10/2018 at 16:53

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SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 16:55

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I run in the street, almost exclusively. Typically, there is a shoulder or a bike lane though. I do this for many reasons, safety is at the top of my list:

Most drivers, if they are even paying attention, only look at the road ahead of them. This includes when they are making a left or right turn, across an area designated for pedestrian crossing. This means, if you are running (moving faster than a walking pedestrian) most cars do not see you until they already completed their turn and are approaching the crosswalk. This does not leave much room to get the fuck out of the way. If you are running in the street, against traffic, it gives the driver more opportunity to see you, and more time to move if need be. Secondly, when most drivers approach a stop sign, they pull completely through the crosswalk before coming to a complete stop. The correct thing to do is stop before the damn crosswalk, look both ways then scoot forward if your view is blocked. I’d say 2% of drivers do this. When I’m on the street, I’m way less likely to be hit in this type of situation because cars normally stop before they get to the lane. It also gives me more time to react to someone straight up running the stop sign.

Also, if you can avoid a bike, you can avoid a runner. It doesn’t matter the direction of travel, the foot print is still the same. Also, I don’t want to get hit by a car and you can pretty much guarantee that I see you coming. If I’m not moving over more, you probably have enough room to get by. No need to freak out and stop.

Long story short, we all need to be tolerant of each other and not be assholes. Both people in the video above are assholes. But if you do see a runner in the road, it is most definitely for a good reason. Also, maybe pay a little more attention behind the wheel so you are not startled when you look up from your sweet Grindr dick pics. A little situational awareness goes a long way. The point is to spot a potential problem, then plot a plan to avoid the problem before you reach it.

But remember, we are all on the same team. Practice safe driving and safe running.

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > facw 07/10/2018 at 16:59

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This, and cars typically blow thru stop signs / crosswalks and leave you no time to react. If I’m on the street, I see you can can GTFO the way. I have a near miss about once a month and it’s always when I’m on a sidewalk. But, running on the road is much better for the reasons you list, too.

fintail > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 17:01

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Affluent looking suburban neighborhood can’t help, either

smobgirl > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 17:03

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On a hardness scale, asphalt is like a 2-3 vs an 8 (of 10) for concrete. If you’re running long distances it’s WAY easier on your body to run on anything other than concrete.

I usually run in the road facing traffic...but I always jump out of the road if a car is coming.

smobgirl > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 07/10/2018 at 17:04

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Sidewalks cause way more wear and tear on your body. Concrete is terrible, asphalt is less terrible. Trails are best until you trip and fall off a cliff.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > His Stigness 07/10/2018 at 17:06

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Oh God side by side 3 or more abreast riding/walking anywhere should be a punishable offense!

smobgirl > lone_liberal 07/10/2018 at 17:06

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Concrete hurts. Asphalt is much softer.

facw > SPAMBot - Horse Doctor 07/10/2018 at 17:08

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Yeah, crosswalks are always a bit iffy. Turning cars are especially dangerous, but there’s always the problem of drivers just not looking , especially in areas sparse with pedestrians. This is also a big danger to cyclists in situations where you have a separated path running next to the road, turning cars just don’t expect to have other traffic, especially traffic they are required to yield to, off to the side.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Nom De Plume 07/10/2018 at 17:14

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I’m sure you could last for a 2.62...

lone_liberal > smobgirl 07/10/2018 at 17:16

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That makes a little sense, but t he average Camry is pretty hard too. I really cringe when the runner is going against traffic around a blind corner and t here’s no way a bike could stop in time. T hen again some bike riders shun the bike lane for the traffic lane so I guess all’s fair.

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > facw 07/10/2018 at 17:27

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Yeah, we need better driver education or something. Here are my top 3 places I almost get hit. #3 is a spot with a separated bike path and sidewalk:

The blue path (sidewalk) is super dangerous. Cars pulling out from Monterey can’t see so they blow thru the crosswalk. Then, cars turning left from Herondo can’t see behind the car and assume the crosswalk is clear. Also, cars turning right onto Monterey don’t look to the sidewalk and already have a new direction of travel and speed before they enter the crosswalk. So I normally take the yellow line (bike lane) Too many things to look at for the average driver.

Here, the sidewalk is close to the buildings and there are normally cars parked blocking the view of cars pulling out. So drivers whip through the crosswalk area before stopping at the edge of the road. I also cannot see cars coming until I already started crossing

Here is like you say. Cars turning left rarely look at the oncoming traffic, the two-way bike path, AND the sidewalk. They normally just look at oncoming traffic, gun it to make the gap, then slam on their brakes at the last min to avoid hitting a PED in the bike lane or sidewalk. Normally impending traffic in every lane.

smobgirl > lone_liberal 07/10/2018 at 17:37

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I mean where I live the bike lane is full of parked cars, so everyone is pretty much fucked. 

His Stigness > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 17:46

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I think a punch in the face should be sufficient. 

ttyymmnn > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 19:27

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Running on the smooth road, facing traffic . I’m okay with this. Driver would have lost maybe three seconds of their day by letting her pass.

DipodomysDeserti > Akio Ohtori - RIP Oppo 07/10/2018 at 19:59

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I was taught from a young age to run on either asphalt or dirt/grass as concrete is much harder, and thus causes more damage to your joints/bones over time. Probably only makes a difference if you run a lot.

Stef Schrader > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 20:02

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I will never understand folks who play in traffic.

ranwhenparked > His Stigness 07/10/2018 at 22:04

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In other words, every cyclist in every beach town all summer long. Because traffic laws don’t apply when you’re on vacation. 

ranwhenparked > facw 07/10/2018 at 22:06

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Also, I’ve heard asphalt is a  better running surface than concrete. 

His Stigness > ranwhenparked 07/10/2018 at 22:18

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I live by the beach so it’s year round here. I don’t like going along PCH because of the cars and the other asswipe cyclists. I like to go up into the mountains.

ranwhenparked > His Stigness 07/10/2018 at 22:25

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I had a family of five cut me off today - they decided to take a shortcut by making  their left turn over 1,000 feet from the intersection, cutting across two traffic lanes and a turn lane in the process, without so much as a glance to see if there was any traffic. If I didn’t have to go to the beach areas for work at least once or twice a month, I wouldn’t go there at all until at least September, maybe October to play it safe. 

GLiddy > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 07/10/2018 at 23:20

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I’m betting in most jurisdictions, pedestrians (which I’m sure includes runners) are required to use the sidewalk when one is available. I have to contend with this same crap in my neighborhood. We have sidewalks on all the roads and still these jerks run in the street.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > smobgirl 07/11/2018 at 10:17

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Trails are best until you trip and fall off a cliff.

Personal experience?

smobgirl > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/11/2018 at 14:55

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It was a little cliff. 

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > smobgirl 07/11/2018 at 15:22

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Ouch